America ended with Reagan. It only got worse after him. The 1950s/60s were the last period in which America could be considered the greatest country on Earth.
You could argue that Regan was the spark. 9/11 was the fire. Trump is the ashes.
The world is a global capitalist system. Other countries are outsourced to sometimes spy on Americans. I don’t think people understand the security state that actually exists. Julian Assange talked about this. The United States, along with Israel and Saudi Arabia, perpetrated 911 and allowed 911 to happen. The Bin Laden family or Bin Laden already explained why he did what he did. It was because of American foreign bases. America sometimes creates terrorists in order to allow bad things to happen in which they did. The Twin Towers went down because America wanted it to happen. So 9-11 was an inside job. Tell me what happened to building 7. What’s up with this motherfucker name Larry Silverstein. Why did he just say pull it? And why was it already filled with explosives? Just remember, if you ever feel a little upset, you feel like doing something. And everything seems to just be working, you know? Like, you’re getting all the things you need and what not. It might be that the FBI and the CIA or somebody is setting you up to be a tool in their bigger game. This sent us to a 20-year war for nothing, all to bleed the tax bases of Europe and the United States. That’s why now we’re on our knees with no leverage, no power, and a failed liberalism with a fascist clown in power. The Book of History never closes. All we do is war. Capitalism will destroy the planet.
“All men are created equal”
Is slave state
Always has been
I think this is the right place to look.
At the bare minimum, back then the founders wrote a constitution designed AND INTENDED to be amended, if not rewritten every once in a while.
As of like 80 years ago people started to get it in their head that the USA was somehow the greatest nation to ever exist and could never be better. Maybe because of how it helped out in WWII? Maybe because of how the economy boomed following the war? Who knows. But Nationalism has certainly put the nails in the coffin.
They were slave owners, who fought a violent war against a democratic country. They could have asked for representation in parliament, but they decided to go to war. Why, because England, was about to clean up the colonies and eliminate slavery. With peace between England and France in the 1760s, England’s attention was once again on domestic issues, and people in England were getting sick of slavery in the colonies. The rich slave owners, most educated in law, knew slavery was about to end when the ruling of Somerset v Stewart (1772) was handed down.
No, it started with Reagan
No, it started with Nixon
No, it started with Prescott Bush
All of history is built on what came before. I think if we really want to get to the root of America’s collapse, we have to look way back. Doing so, I can only conclude that the Agricultural Revolution was a mistake.
Death by a thousand cuts. No single event led to the Nazis seizing power, no single even led to the Conservatives enacting their fascist regime in the US. Yeah, some steps were bigger than others, the likes of Reagan, W, and Trump shoving things faster and further right than others, but none of them singlehandedly achieved the coup d’etat. Trump benefitted from all the groundwork laid before along with the hard work of the likes of McConnell that did everything they could to prevent democracy from working.
Also it was because we didn’t do reconstruction, which was because the landowners were too strong.
And the landowners were too strong in the 1860s because of compromise in the 18th century, on account of their ancestors being too strong.
Actually, come to think of it, aren’t those the same people that elected Nixon, Reagan, and Bush?
Perhaps it’s not so much that history repeats itself as that we have had the same intractable problem for hundreds of years: aristocrats.
If we’re being honest with ourselves it goes back much further than that. It has never, at any point, been what it set out to be or what it claimed to be.
Kinda hinted toward it in another post but its more about my own personal perspective. At a young age my life was mostly devoid of politics and america seemed like an ok place. Since the attack on the twin towers, for me personally, america has only gotten worse. To me, 911 marks the end of america, as an idea.
I was an adult when 9/11 happened. After growing up in cold wars, Gulf wars, recessions, etc. that day was extremely horrible, but also felt like just the latest big symptom of an ongoing downfall.
My parents’ generation had the Vietnam War as their One Big Important Thing, their parents had WW2, etc. Like other commenters are saying here, what seems like the One Big Important Thing to you is really just a matter of where on the running timeline you happen to be. I find the best way to gain perspective is to examine and understand the entire thing, that’s the only way I think anything constructive can be done about any of it.
Interesting no one has mentioned the 2000 election shenanigans yet. That was some real stolen election shit
That’s exactly where the timeline jumped the tracks. if Gore’s election is properly counted, there’s potentially no 9/11, but certainly no Iraq and probably no Afghanistan as we know it. And without Bush and the whiplash against him and those events, there’s no Obama. And without the mouth breather whiplash to Obama, there’s no Trump.
So yeah, I would say that the republicans fucking around in south Florida is what caused the rift.
Florida? Yeah I heard a podcast about this, eerily similar to all that’s been happening around the last 2 elections.
I lived through it - in Florida - and it was every bit as shady and disgusting as you would think, and then some.
Especially that Brooks Brothers Riot of “concerned citizens” who were actually GOP operatives demanding a recount. That fucking sickens me to this day.
(I showed my spouse an article about that a few years ago and he was horrified. He’d had no idea, although I don’t fault him for that since he was on float at the time)
Did this attack really cause a change in trajectory though?
I think capitalism has been leading the US down this path since the second world war.
Is it a change of trajectory If instead of going down a long slope you turn down a road leading toward the edge of a cliff? Because while I agree about capitalism leading to inevitable horrific consequences there’s really no way to argue against 9/11 ushering in an age of utter Horrors when it came to civil rights.
Of course you could also make the argument that the turn towards that Cliff was actually caused by the Supreme Court picking George W bush to be our president.
