aberrate_junior_beatnik (he/him)

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  • He did not carry out raids the likes of which we’ve seen in the past six months and he did not sanction them, which is what the comments about the meme are suggesting.

    Obama absolutely did carry out and sanction deportation raids. To be clear, I’m not claiming he was as aggressive as Trump is being now. The image itself is an attempt to point out that Obama did so in a more orderly fashion.

    My point, then, is that there can be “3.1 million ‘deported’” based on a very loose definition of a practical daily event at the border

    Again, your characterization of these deportations all being people showing up at the border without papers is unsubstantiated. Nothing about expedited removal requires a person be present at the border. I could be mistaken about this, but a “removal” implies that a person is not at a border crossing. Indeed, in the MPI report, the tables listing deportation numbers have separate columns for border apprehensions and removals, and the removal column for Obama is at around 3M.

    A few points: Obama had fewer border apprehensions and removals than both Bush and Clinton. This could be the case for any number of reasons, one of which could be lighter enforcement. But it is the case that the Obama administration bragged about its hawkishness on the border. My understanding is he did so in a failed attempt to appease the GOP and get DACA put into legislation. But regardless of all of this, it seems ICE under Obama did remove around 3 million people, not at the border.