• SunshineJogger@feddit.org
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    4 days ago

    I hate cars and I equally hate escooter turds who carelessly leave the damn thing wherever they hopped off. Middle of pavement, right in the dead center of a bus stop where they clearly jumped from scooter into the bus door.

    No, the little bit of space left getting fucked up by careless rental users is very close as bad as cars.

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        13 hours ago

        Uhm, are you one of those who park their e scooter wherever they want and are trying to deflect, or why are you so over the top triggered?

        You think that’s a good and fruitful way to talk? Aha

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          13 hours ago

          He’s out of line (and his comment is going to be removed as soon as I finish writing this), but except for the personal attacks, he’s right. If you think cars and escooters are “equally” problematic, you have zero sense of proportion.

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            12 hours ago

            I regard it as a question of scale.

            Cars are problematic due to how people use them. That they are used senselessly, agressively, carelessly.

            Thats why there are so many rules and fines around cars. Fines that are nowhere near as strong as they should be.

            And those same attitude people driving cars in bad ways also ride scooters.

            I had a scooter with two on it plow through a tiny gap of elderly people at high speed just a few days ago.

            I had a easily 8 meter wide pedestrian crossing in front of my office vlocked in a full line of e-scooters dumped there as parking space blocking it just as thoroughly as if two cars had parked there.

            Now if I were to scale up the ratio of people using scooters to the same as cars then it would get very bad because they seem to think of e-scooters as being more free of rules.

            Sure, a good solution would be to replace cars fully and use roads for bikes and scooters. Best possibility.

            Sadly that’s not a thing and until then the people using scooters just as badly as car drivers are out there ruining that for everyone.

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              6 hours ago

              Many of the problems with cars are inherent to the nature of cars, specifically, how large they are relative to how many people they carry. E-scooters scaled up would not cause the problems that cars do.

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                4 hours ago

                That I can easily agree on.

                Though the reality is that the the e-scooter usage has not led to significantly less cars on the road. Instead they mostly replaced bikes, public transport and walking. Numvers vary from country to country and city to city of course so thus is a generalized average.

                This means though that they are not making anything better but instead making it all worse because I do not recall ever having had this much trouble with badly parked bikes in the past, even in a big and bike heavy city like mine.

                So while the concept is great it fails because they don’t replace cars but instead just add another way of ruining public spaces ON TOP OF the fucking cars.

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      4 days ago

      There are pretty easy solutions for at least the e-blockage: dropoff zones. Big scooter is not quite there yet to go against a mediocre public backlash.

      The car solution is super easy as well, there is just too much money to be made in that sector.