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The difference between Russian and American authoritarianism
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Propaganda ———> National Media
“Are we the baddies?” Well, for a lot of people all over the world you’re at least not the good ones.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_United_States
*Invasion --------> liberate
We already have that one. It’s true too. They’ll liberate you back into the stone ages. They’ll liberate you so hard, your great grandchildren will still feel the pain of it.
Communists, go live in Russia if you think America is so bad. I will take my good quality of life in capitalist America over any communist shithole all the live long day.
Communism is only good for impractical fantasy ideas and authoritarian shitholes. Prove me wrong if you can.
Russia isn’t a communist country lmao
I don’t know about that but I heard there’s No True Scotsmen there.
Alternative option: Communists, move to China if America is so bad.
You just don’t get it!
People in the Lemmy bubble are smarter and have more self control than anyone in history!!
They can make it work!!
Haha my dude you are comparing gulags to prison in the USA?
LMAO 🤣 i don’t want to say Lemmy is disconnected from reality but this kind of posts and the ones blaming Latin Americans and minorities for the election lost just makes everyone here look unhinged
Would you like more information on the guy who died from bedbug bites without being charged or the forced labor or the heat strokes or the murders? What’s specifically not comparable?
Would you like more information of the Soviet gulag system? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag
An estimated 1.6 MILLION people died in detention. And that’s not even considering that most of the people imprisoned were just enemies of the Soviet/Russian state.
How much God damn Russian propaganda are you consuming to consider these things even remotely close? The US prison system is a disgrace, but these are not even remotely comparable.
How much God damn Russian propaganda are you consuming to consider these things even remotely close?
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I mean, none that I’m aware of. You?
LOL you are literally posting Russian propaganda and you are pretending you’re unaware… Or maybe you really are too dumb to tell. Pretty pathetic either way.
Yet, one is clearly still a lot worse than the other. It’s Russia and by a lot. Still glad not living in either country tho.
So, I believe the same thing, of course. But I think it’s worth taking a moment to think about what we base those beliefs on. For me personally, it’s based almost exclusively on what I read / see in the news, and maybe a stray meme here or there. Posts like OP make me wonder to what extent my beliefs are justified. Because the post is entirely correct, right? For the same exact thing, the news media will use one term when it’s the bad guys doing it, and another term when the good guys are doing it. The war crimes that the US was committing in Iraq were called collateral damage at the time (and they were grievous, we’re talking the act of disappearing people, torture of thousands, murdering hundreds of thousands with cluster bombs and napalm, bombing hospitals, cutting off water to entire cities, truly heinous and extensive). Collateral damage. There were headlines in mainstream media calling the invasion “Operation Iraqi freedom”. In contrast, the Russian invasion of Ukraine was immediately (and rightly) called out as such, as well as their war crimes. I wonder to what extent my opinion of Russia is actually influenced by these differences in terminology and reporting. I don’t think I’m immune to propaganda.
That is a lot of word salad to say the US portrays itself as the good guys and Russia is portrayed as the bad guys. Guess what, they are both bad. You know who isn’t bad? The people of Iraq and Ukraine who get caught up in this bullshit.
Yes they are both bad, the fucking point of the post is the hypocrisy in how the media portrays them. What are you even trying to say? Also, I’m sorry that my comment was longer than you’re able to grasp, that wasn’t very inclusive of me.
Move to Russia then tell us how equal it is 🙄
Tankies 🤦♂️
On the surface it seems like these comparisons are valid, but there’s truly a world of difference in how America deals with its people.
The fact still remains that skilled immigrants can come to America and make a life for themselves. It doesn’t matter who they are. Or that non-white or non-Christians can get elected to the U.S. congress.
America started out with an idealism it’s failing to live up to, and it’s the fault of those who indulge realpolitiks over that idealism. This isn’t an America problem, there’s a rot that’s taken over the soul of humanity. We’re casting aside intellectualism and enlightenment for realpolitiks.
Make no mistake though, people cannot be trusted so you always have to protect yourself. But there’s no civilization without ideals for humanity.
America was founded by genocidal slavers who were angry about being unfairly taxed.
America has never been a moral nation. It is literally founded on stolen land, paved over the bodies of that land’s natives, and built by the labor of the enslaved.
I would agree that America is not the only nation in the world with many of these problems. I’m an anarchist, so I fundamentally don’t really believe that a completely moral state is ever possible. But even so America stands out particularly starkly even in comparison to other contemporary states.
I think your point is valid, but what I am saying is we shouldn’t begrudge the past its lack of perfection. Let’s look at where people are now, and where they can go from here.
Looking for answers in the past is often a fools errand. We need to shed the baggage of our forefathers.
Really just outright playing ‘bothsides’ games with Putin’s Russia already. Great.
