In the 2024 US Presidential election, one of two candidates was going to win: Trump or Harris. FPTP+EC guarantees that.
Every person who didn’t vote in that race was half a vote for the worst candidate. More to the point, every person who didn’t vote in a handful of critical states was more than an entire vote for the worst candidate.
Remember how pretty much every thread leading up to the election had a bunch of chodes hollering about gEnOcIdE, only in reference to Democrats? And then the moment the election was over, that essentially stopped? I wonder why.
US military aid to Israel is a long story. The US has very longstanding agreements with Israel which all administrations must abide by. And I know this is hindsight, but how’s that Palestinian genocide going since Jan 20, 2025? All fixed now, yes? Wait, it’s gotten worse? Who could have seen that coming?
The Democrats lost millions of votes across the country at every level of the polls. If there are that many leftists that can tank the Democrats, then they should have been doing everything they could to pander to that base instead of pulling out the most vile Republicans from 20 years ago. Or they lost millions of votes because they spent 4 years telling people who got laid off, and could no longer afford rent and groceries that the economy was stronger than ever and they would keep the course. The Democrats banked hard on being Republican light and were blown away that they lost millions of votes. They still insist on doubling down on centrist bullshit because they don’t want to enact the actual societal changes that everyone knows need to occur.
The party’s incompetence is its own; the results of an election are on us.
“But the anti-fascist coalition wasn’t exciting enough! And they weren’t competent enough for my tastes! So I decided to let the fascists win” is abso-fucking-lutely on the voter.
More than one actor can be guilty at once. Shocking, I know.
the Democrats were not “the anti-fascist coalition”, the politicians at least were pretty uniformly agreed on continuing their preferred genocide.
You were arguing that their genocidal behavior was a lesser evil than what the Republicans are capable of. That may be true, but it doesn’t suddenly make the Democrats an anti-fascist coalition.
The Democrats were literally the anti-fascist coalition against the Republicans openly promising fascism. Sorry that you think Alligator Auschwitz is just “business as usual”.
If supporting Israel, a fascist state, in foreign policy makes one fascist (a point of view equivocating support with total identification that I strongly disagree with, mind) the vast majority of the US is fascist, including a supermajority of Dem voters, and you aren’t going to win a democratic election on an anti-fascist platform.
Harris expressed a shift away from the unconditional Zionism of Biden and was punished by voters for it. Surely that will teach the DNC to [checks notes] support Israel less.
“But we let the MORE Zionist candidate win because we OPPOSE Zionism!”
Damn bang-up job of expressing that, like beating a dog for not coming to you fast enough when ordered.
the genocidal terror entity couldn’t do the genocide it’s been doing without endless US bombs, air defenses, and aircraft carriers attacking their enemies that are blockading them. The Democrats have participated in this genocide because as Biden said: “if Israel didn’t exist we would have to create one to protect our interests in the region”
If “winning” means electing people to represent me who then go on to co-sign a genocide I would rather lose and be done with the charade.
She did nothing of the sort, and any lip service given it was too little too late. They swapped her in at practically the last minute, long after the point where there could have been a primary. Maybe someone who wasn’t already vice president during a literal genocide could have stood a better chance.
Both candidates are zionist, The outcome is the same. Republicans are architects of the final solution, but Democrats would willingly participate as long as it polled well and was spread out on a manageable timeline that was not too visible.
the genocidal terror entity couldn’t do the genocide it’s been doing without endless US bombs, air defenses, and aircraft carriers attacking their enemies that are blockading them.
“Israel couldn’t do it if the Houthis weren’t suppressed!”
Fucking lol.
If “winning” means electing people to represent me who then go on to co-sign a genocide I would rather lose and be done with the charade.
Congratulations, you get your wish. Now millions more people will be murdered, including millions more Palestinians. Congratulations on being an even bigger Palestinian genocide supporter than Joe fucking Biden! It’s no small achievement, so if you want, I can find you a sticker to wear proudly, if you like.
She did nothing of the sort, and any lip service given it was too little too late. They swapped her in at practically the last minute, long after the point where there could have been a primary. Maybe someone who wasn’t already vice president during a literal genocide could have stood a better chance.
Love the scattershot reply to a simple statement. Keep beating that dog, it’ll come to you eventually.
and aircraft carriers attacking their enemies that are blockading them.
“Israel couldn’t do it if the Houthis weren’t suppressed!”
Fucking lol.
the point is that they deployed multiple carrier strike groups to protect shipping to Israel, that’s pretty direct support. The attacks have been making an impact.
Both candidates are zionist, The outcome is the same. Republicans are architects of the final solution, but Democrats like you would willingly participate as long as it polled well and was spread out on a manageable timeline that the consequences were not too visible.
“Please stop bombing children”, “Please stop backing a genocide”, “Please stop handing out our taxes to your rich friends”, “Please stop making healthcare the number one reason for bankruptcy”, “Please stop sending people to torture prisons”, “Please make minimum wage a livable wage”
“… exactly perfect”
I think your definition of “exactly perfect” might be different from mine.
There will always be an excuse. My personal favorite was the people on here saying that they could NEVER vote for Biden because he hadn’t called for a ceasefire. If he could only do that one thing they would vote for him! But of course, he wouldn’t, because Biden was too deep in thrall to the Zionists to do even that much.
Of course, when Biden called for a ceasefire, they simply pretended like they’d never said that, or that calling them out on that position was somehow an endorsement of the ongoing genocide.
It makes even their legitimate criticisms ring hollow, because it all ends up sounding like self-serving bullshit.
I’d like to see any kind of evidence that progressives supported fascism. Also, if Harris did want the progressive vote, then yes, she should have done better.
TIL: it’s the voters fault when a political party is incompetent.
In the 2024 US Presidential election, one of two candidates was going to win: Trump or Harris. FPTP+EC guarantees that.
Every person who didn’t vote in that race was half a vote for the worst candidate. More to the point, every person who didn’t vote in a handful of critical states was more than an entire vote for the worst candidate.
Remember how pretty much every thread leading up to the election had a bunch of chodes hollering about gEnOcIdE, only in reference to Democrats? And then the moment the election was over, that essentially stopped? I wonder why.
US military aid to Israel is a long story. The US has very longstanding agreements with Israel which all administrations must abide by. And I know this is hindsight, but how’s that Palestinian genocide going since Jan 20, 2025? All fixed now, yes? Wait, it’s gotten worse? Who could have seen that coming?
The Democrats lost millions of votes across the country at every level of the polls. If there are that many leftists that can tank the Democrats, then they should have been doing everything they could to pander to that base instead of pulling out the most vile Republicans from 20 years ago. Or they lost millions of votes because they spent 4 years telling people who got laid off, and could no longer afford rent and groceries that the economy was stronger than ever and they would keep the course. The Democrats banked hard on being Republican light and were blown away that they lost millions of votes. They still insist on doubling down on centrist bullshit because they don’t want to enact the actual societal changes that everyone knows need to occur.
Fascism abroad wasn’t enough, we needed fascism at home too.
The party’s incompetence is its own; the results of an election are on us.
“But the anti-fascist coalition wasn’t exciting enough! And they weren’t competent enough for my tastes! So I decided to let the fascists win” is abso-fucking-lutely on the voter.
More than one actor can be guilty at once. Shocking, I know.
Two wrongs, as they say, don’t make a right. Or in this case, I guess, they do make a Right.
Happy cake day!
Thanks!
the Democrats were not “the anti-fascist coalition”, the politicians at least were pretty uniformly agreed on continuing their preferred genocide.
You were arguing that their genocidal behavior was a lesser evil than what the Republicans are capable of. That may be true, but it doesn’t suddenly make the Democrats an anti-fascist coalition.
The Democrats were literally the anti-fascist coalition against the Republicans openly promising fascism. Sorry that you think Alligator Auschwitz is just “business as usual”.
as long as you’re not Palestinian the Democrats are “anti-fascist™”
If supporting Israel, a fascist state, in foreign policy makes one fascist (a point of view equivocating support with total identification that I strongly disagree with, mind) the vast majority of the US is fascist, including a supermajority of Dem voters, and you aren’t going to win a democratic election on an anti-fascist platform.
Harris expressed a shift away from the unconditional Zionism of Biden and was punished by voters for it. Surely that will teach the DNC to [checks notes] support Israel less.
“But we let the MORE Zionist candidate win because we OPPOSE Zionism!”
Damn bang-up job of expressing that, like beating a dog for not coming to you fast enough when ordered.
If “winning” means electing people to represent me who then go on to co-sign a genocide I would rather lose and be done with the charade.
Both candidates are zionist, The outcome is the same. Republicans are architects of the final solution, but Democrats would willingly participate as long as it polled well and was spread out on a manageable timeline that was not too visible.
“Israel couldn’t do it if the Houthis weren’t suppressed!”
Fucking lol.
Congratulations, you get your wish. Now millions more people will be murdered, including millions more Palestinians. Congratulations on being an even bigger Palestinian genocide supporter than Joe fucking Biden! It’s no small achievement, so if you want, I can find you a sticker to wear proudly, if you like.
Love the scattershot reply to a simple statement. Keep beating that dog, it’ll come to you eventually.
the point is that they deployed multiple carrier strike groups to protect shipping to Israel, that’s pretty direct support. The attacks have been making an impact.
Both candidates are zionist, The outcome is the same. Republicans are architects of the final solution, but Democrats like you would willingly participate as long as it polled well and was spread out on a manageable timeline that the consequences were not too visible.
TIL voters are powerless because their vote doesn’t matter unless it “sends a message” /s
The message: “If you’re not exactly perfect, I’ll stand aside and let fascists get elected.”
“Please stop bombing children”, “Please stop backing a genocide”, “Please stop handing out our taxes to your rich friends”, “Please stop making healthcare the number one reason for bankruptcy”, “Please stop sending people to torture prisons”, “Please make minimum wage a livable wage”
I think your definition of “exactly perfect” might be different from mine.
All those concerns are solved now, huh?
Respectfully, do you have any kind of brain damage, maybe a memory issue? You seem to be only able to think or plan a few months ahead at a time.
There will always be an excuse. My personal favorite was the people on here saying that they could NEVER vote for Biden because he hadn’t called for a ceasefire. If he could only do that one thing they would vote for him! But of course, he wouldn’t, because Biden was too deep in thrall to the Zionists to do even that much.
Of course, when Biden called for a ceasefire, they simply pretended like they’d never said that, or that calling them out on that position was somehow an endorsement of the ongoing genocide.
It makes even their legitimate criticisms ring hollow, because it all ends up sounding like self-serving bullshit.
Yeah, it’s so disheartening to see so many people usher in Trump while pretending to be moral little angels.
“It’s not my fault I supported fascism, Kamala Harris should of done better” - Lemmy progressives
I’d like to see any kind of evidence that progressives supported fascism. Also, if Harris did want the progressive vote, then yes, she should have done better.