People aren’t voting because they’re Marxist and they’re taking a principal position against electoralism. People aren’t voting because they know their vote doesn’t count.
People like me aren’t the problem. My goal is to get people energized and involved in local politics which is vastly more important than the stupid electoral politics that this community keeps pushing. The Democrats lead us here and allowed this to happen. But yeah let’s just keep giving them the keys to the kingdom because the other guys are worse
What’s the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?
harm reduction doesn’t work if it did Trump wouldn’t be in office.
harm reduction isn’t going to get people to vote people couldn’t be arsed to vote in 2020/2024. You think shouting about harm reduction is going to get those people back in the voting booth?
The DNC have systematically shut down the progressive wing and we have less progressives in office now than we did in 2016.
Our institutions have abandoned us to the wolves and we need to build new ones. The faster y’all recognize that the faster that work can finish
So you’re too unintelligent to answer a simple question about your own beliefs?
Color me unsurprised based on ALL your other comments.
You’re just some loser trying to diminish the best chances we have at stopping this madness in 2026 and 2028. You cry about trans rights but actively work against the best VIABLE path forward for them in the foreseeable future.
You are part of the problem and not worth anyone’s time or effort. You’re trash.
Watching a bunch of liberals cry about electoralism has definitely been an experience. I did not know that it was so easy to upset a group of people by simply saying that people shouldn’t waste time advocating for people to vote for the Democrats.
Color me unsurprised that you’re going to continue a strategy that hasn’t worked in 20 plus years.
What’s the definition of insanity continuing to do something that doesn’t work and hoping for a different result?
The Democrats lead us here and allowed this to happen. But yeah let’s just keep giving them the keys to the kingdom because the other guys are worse
Its not blue no matter who. Its blue when harm reduction is one of the limited choices and working to expand the progressive wing where possible.
People aren’t voting because they know their vote doesn’t count.
No show has been the biggest block of voters pretty much every election for decades now. Their votes don’t count because they are not voting for them to be counted.
harm reduction doesn’t work if it did Trump wouldn’t be in office.
harm reduction isn’t going to get people to vote people couldn’t be arsed to vote in 2020/2024. You think shouting about harm reduction is going to get those people back in the voting booth?
Marginalized communities were 100% under dem control. Not in ideal conditions, but not being hunted.
In none of my comments I have said that voting is the only front. I am saying it is one of many and a very important one. Tankies like yourself are discouraging people from showing up and giving even more control to the far right. It makes you some very bad allies. Hispanics would not be hunted for sport. Abortion rights not rolled back as quickly. Palestine might have a better chance if we could block arms shipments fueling their destruction.
It’s always about harm reduction. Was about harm reduction in 2016, it was about harm reduction in 2020, it was about harm reduction in 2024.
No one cares. Liberal activists have been banging the drum about harm reduction for the better part of 20 years.
You think continuing to go on about harm reduction is going to get the apathetic electorate to vote?
Yeah you’re damn right there are people out here encouraging people to not waste their time with electoralism. There are much better places we should be spending our energy where it actually matters.
As far as the safety of minority groups under Democrat leadership I’d say it’s a wash given that state leadership is far far more important than Federal leadership.
The Democrats will not save us nor will they deliver us from fascism
It’s always about harm reduction. Was about harm reduction in 2016, it was about harm reduction in 2020, it was about harm reduction in 2024.
Did you read where I wrote this:
Its not blue no matter who. Its blue when harm reduction is one of the limited choices and working to expand the progressive wing where possible.
Can’t move past harm reduction if you are not growing the progressive wing where possible. Either in the dem party or spinning of a serious 3rd party. Libertarian, as gross as they are, have made their ideas main stream in the Rs. Again tankies discouraging voting is abandoning a key front in the [class] war and rolling over for fascists.
Tankies just aren’t serious people. Ive never had a tankie like yourself propose and different actionable plan. If they were serious they would have one to talk about rather than just shitting on what we do have.
You think continuing to go on about harm reduction is going to get the apathetic electorate to vote?
Not voting has cost us LGBT, womens, and other rights. So… yeah they have a lot at stake. This is a [class] war and in all war you don’t have a say about when it stops.
Have you not watched that Democratic party sacrifice the progressives on the altar of so-called progress?
Can’t grow a progressive Wing if it’s constantly stopped out by the DNC. 🙄
It’s wonderful you understand we’re in a class war. It’s idiotic how you think electoralism is a major front in the class war. You know how I know this? Because groups have already tried the strategy you’re talking about in history and specifically failed to save themselves from fascism. See Germany in the 1900s.
You say “not voting” has cost us the rights of women lgbtq minorities and other people, I say pushing a strategy of harm reduction for the Electoral it for the past 20 years is the reason that those rights were lost.
I keep scrolling waiting for you to do something other than complain. I’m waiting for you to present some kind of path forward.
The closest you’ve gotten so far is implying that we need new political parties, while apparently being completely unaware that we are NOWHERE NEAR a viable 3rd party in this country. That would take YEARS of one putting in the hard work and winning local/state elections and getting MORE THAN ZERO members in the House and Senate.
You’re over here whining about the Democrat party, trying to get people to not vote for them, when there is no viable alternative and absolutely, positively, 100% will not be one by the next election.
You want to wipe the board clean instead of reforming an already super established party. That’s childish and won’t work.
I don’t think I can be much clear about the solution. Do you think voting in 2026/2028 is going to save us? Thats funny. How about we focus on making it to 2028.
I don’t want people to waste their time volunteering with the Democrats when they could be working with one of the other hundreds of local organizations that actually uplift there community instead of just burn the averages voters goodwill
You say “not voting” has cost us the rights of women lgbtq minorities and other people, I say pushing a strategy of harm reduction for the Electoral it for the past 20 years is the reason that those rights were lost.
I addressed this:
Did you read where I wrote this:
Its not blue no matter who. Its blue when harm reduction is one of the limited choices and working to expand the progressive wing where possible.
Can’t move past harm reduction if you are not growing the progressive wing where possible. Either in the dem party or spinning of a serious 3rd party. Libertarian, as gross as they are, have made their ideas main stream in the Rs. Again tankies discouraging voting is abandoning a key front in the [class] war and rolling over for fascists.
Can’t grow a progressive Wing if it’s constantly stopped out by the DNC. 🙄
And you never will grow it because you don’t show up to grow it.
It’s idiotic how you think electoralism is a major front in the class war.
And i think its idiotic you are abandoning people you could be helping.
Yeah you didn’t actually address my point that the DNC squashes Progressive politics so that there isn’t a progressive wing and there will not be one in the DNC. It’s fun to pretend though but you did actually address this concern though.
It’s not my fault that you lack creativity and are unable to imagine a way of helping people that doesn’t involve electoralism and think that’s abandoning people 🙄
Yeah you didn’t actually address my point that the DNC squashes Progressive politics so that there isn’t a progressive wing and there will not be one in the DNC. It’s fun to pretend though but you did actually address this concern though.
Because you don’t vote. And we won’t have a third party win local elections because tankies discourage taking action to win those elections.
Explain how me not voting, which you have no idea if I did or not, fails to push Progressive politics in the dnc?
I also didn’t say that you shouldn’t vote only that you shouldn’t waste your time with electoralism. Meaning that people should vote for who they want regardless of the screeching the liberals do. And that they shouldn’t waste their time doing anything with those parties since local organizations are far more important than political parties.
Here in fact I got a great Counterpoint to this idiotic line of thinking. In 2020 we had the largest voting turnout we have ever had And end it up With one of the most institutional governments the Democrats have ever given us. How come that didn’t result into the progressive Wing that you keep talking about? We also have record-setting votes during the midterms 2022. I wonder what happened to those progressives. It’s not like we have a foreign lobbyist organization that does its best to ensure that progressives can’t get anywhere. It’s also not like the powers that be in the DNC do their absolute best to ensure that progressives can’t get anywhere.
What an asinine statement.
People aren’t voting because they’re Marxist and they’re taking a principal position against electoralism. People aren’t voting because they know their vote doesn’t count.
People like me aren’t the problem. My goal is to get people energized and involved in local politics which is vastly more important than the stupid electoral politics that this community keeps pushing. The Democrats lead us here and allowed this to happen. But yeah let’s just keep giving them the keys to the kingdom because the other guys are worse
What’s the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result?
harm reduction doesn’t work if it did Trump wouldn’t be in office.
harm reduction isn’t going to get people to vote people couldn’t be arsed to vote in 2020/2024. You think shouting about harm reduction is going to get those people back in the voting booth?
The DNC have systematically shut down the progressive wing and we have less progressives in office now than we did in 2016.
Our institutions have abandoned us to the wolves and we need to build new ones. The faster y’all recognize that the faster that work can finish
Let me ask you a simple question.
Do you believe a 3rd party will be viable on a national level by 2028?
I don’t need you to type a novel in response. Just a basic yes or no.
Let me ask you a simple question.
What are you going to do to help the afflicted minorities to make to 2028?
So you’re too unintelligent to answer a simple question about your own beliefs?
Color me unsurprised based on ALL your other comments.
You’re just some loser trying to diminish the best chances we have at stopping this madness in 2026 and 2028. You cry about trans rights but actively work against the best VIABLE path forward for them in the foreseeable future.
You are part of the problem and not worth anyone’s time or effort. You’re trash.
Watching a bunch of liberals cry about electoralism has definitely been an experience. I did not know that it was so easy to upset a group of people by simply saying that people shouldn’t waste time advocating for people to vote for the Democrats.
Color me unsurprised that you’re going to continue a strategy that hasn’t worked in 20 plus years.
What’s the definition of insanity continuing to do something that doesn’t work and hoping for a different result?
Its not blue no matter who. Its blue when harm reduction is one of the limited choices and working to expand the progressive wing where possible.
No show has been the biggest block of voters pretty much every election for decades now. Their votes don’t count because they are not voting for them to be counted.
Marginalized communities were 100% under dem control. Not in ideal conditions, but not being hunted.
In none of my comments I have said that voting is the only front. I am saying it is one of many and a very important one. Tankies like yourself are discouraging people from showing up and giving even more control to the far right. It makes you some very bad allies. Hispanics would not be hunted for sport. Abortion rights not rolled back as quickly. Palestine might have a better chance if we could block arms shipments fueling their destruction.
It’s always about harm reduction. Was about harm reduction in 2016, it was about harm reduction in 2020, it was about harm reduction in 2024.
No one cares. Liberal activists have been banging the drum about harm reduction for the better part of 20 years.
You think continuing to go on about harm reduction is going to get the apathetic electorate to vote?
Yeah you’re damn right there are people out here encouraging people to not waste their time with electoralism. There are much better places we should be spending our energy where it actually matters.
As far as the safety of minority groups under Democrat leadership I’d say it’s a wash given that state leadership is far far more important than Federal leadership.
The Democrats will not save us nor will they deliver us from fascism
Did you read where I wrote this:
Can’t move past harm reduction if you are not growing the progressive wing where possible. Either in the dem party or spinning of a serious 3rd party. Libertarian, as gross as they are, have made their ideas main stream in the Rs. Again tankies discouraging voting is abandoning a key front in the [class] war and rolling over for fascists.
Tankies just aren’t serious people. Ive never had a tankie like yourself propose and different actionable plan. If they were serious they would have one to talk about rather than just shitting on what we do have.
Not voting has cost us LGBT, womens, and other rights. So… yeah they have a lot at stake. This is a [class] war and in all war you don’t have a say about when it stops.
Have you not watched that Democratic party sacrifice the progressives on the altar of so-called progress?
Can’t grow a progressive Wing if it’s constantly stopped out by the DNC. 🙄
It’s wonderful you understand we’re in a class war. It’s idiotic how you think electoralism is a major front in the class war. You know how I know this? Because groups have already tried the strategy you’re talking about in history and specifically failed to save themselves from fascism. See Germany in the 1900s.
You say “not voting” has cost us the rights of women lgbtq minorities and other people, I say pushing a strategy of harm reduction for the Electoral it for the past 20 years is the reason that those rights were lost.
Lol.
I keep scrolling waiting for you to do something other than complain. I’m waiting for you to present some kind of path forward.
The closest you’ve gotten so far is implying that we need new political parties, while apparently being completely unaware that we are NOWHERE NEAR a viable 3rd party in this country. That would take YEARS of one putting in the hard work and winning local/state elections and getting MORE THAN ZERO members in the House and Senate.
You’re over here whining about the Democrat party, trying to get people to not vote for them, when there is no viable alternative and absolutely, positively, 100% will not be one by the next election.
You want to wipe the board clean instead of reforming an already super established party. That’s childish and won’t work.
LOCALLY ORGANIZE
I don’t think I can be much clear about the solution. Do you think voting in 2026/2028 is going to save us? Thats funny. How about we focus on making it to 2028.
I don’t want people to waste their time volunteering with the Democrats when they could be working with one of the other hundreds of local organizations that actually uplift there community instead of just burn the averages voters goodwill
You know we can do more than one thing at a time right?
You know there’s an efficient use of time and then there is a waste of time right?
I addressed this:
And i think its idiotic you are abandoning people you could be helping.
Yeah you didn’t actually address my point that the DNC squashes Progressive politics so that there isn’t a progressive wing and there will not be one in the DNC. It’s fun to pretend though but you did actually address this concern though.
It’s not my fault that you lack creativity and are unable to imagine a way of helping people that doesn’t involve electoralism and think that’s abandoning people 🙄
Because you don’t vote. And we won’t have a third party win local elections because tankies discourage taking action to win those elections.
Ooo. Finally we got a reason.
Explain how me not voting, which you have no idea if I did or not, fails to push Progressive politics in the dnc?
I also didn’t say that you shouldn’t vote only that you shouldn’t waste your time with electoralism. Meaning that people should vote for who they want regardless of the screeching the liberals do. And that they shouldn’t waste their time doing anything with those parties since local organizations are far more important than political parties.
Here in fact I got a great Counterpoint to this idiotic line of thinking. In 2020 we had the largest voting turnout we have ever had And end it up With one of the most institutional governments the Democrats have ever given us. How come that didn’t result into the progressive Wing that you keep talking about? We also have record-setting votes during the midterms 2022. I wonder what happened to those progressives. It’s not like we have a foreign lobbyist organization that does its best to ensure that progressives can’t get anywhere. It’s also not like the powers that be in the DNC do their absolute best to ensure that progressives can’t get anywhere.